Hi, welcome to Maradan Chronicles Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Sandbox page. We're very happy to have you contribute, and hope to have you back soon!

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Molokaicreeper (Talk) 11:33, July 18, 2010

Code view in pagesEdit

When you edit pages, there is a button at the top right corner (if I remember correctly) it will change the page to code view. You can disable Rich Text Editing if you uncheck "Enable Rich Text Editing" in your preferences. I've had it disabled for months now, it's a newbie tool that sometimes doesn't quite get the job done. It also has some bugs so I haven't even bothered with it for a long time. --Liliana (my talk). 11:54, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hoping to simplify the template... Edit

I'm hoping to see if there's anything I can do to the pet template to simplify it's use. However don't give up, if you have any questions on how the code works I can help. :) --Liliana (my talk). 13:19, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I changed a few things in that template. For example now there are instructions, that will only appear in the coding. Hopefully they can explain how the code works a little better. It can take a long line of coding to make a small table but that's where copying and pasting comes in. So when you want to make a page look like another feel welcome to copy and paste the coding. You can use coding from any wiki in Wikia. It is hard to remember coding and exactly how it goes, but as you get familiarized with it, you will know what goes first then what goes next. I also added spaces after each line to help you familiarize what coding should stay together, feel free to leave a space between one line of coding and another. --Liliana (my talk). 14:23, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Edit

Wow, I saw the pet pages you created and they're awesome. You are a quick learner, it took me a while to understand how templates worked xD

You've noticed that to invoke the pet template you can use {{subst:Marapet}}, subst stands for "substitute" there is another way to invoke a template and I'm pretty sure you've seen it for the footnote template; like this {{Footnote}}. The way it works is a bit different, with subst you can place the template content in the page you're working on and it basically tells the wiki to substitute from that point on with the template you specified. So the text is entered as if you had manually typed it; the advantage of that is that it is editable in that page. Without subst it just shows the original template, with no option to edit the contents (it's like a picture of the template). In that case the only way to edit that is to go to the original template itself. The footnote needs no editing withing the new pages, that's why we invoke it with the {{ }} signs alone (no subst).

Most templates will be prefixed by the "Template:" word:

Anyone can create a template, you can create templates for something as simple as a signature, or a link. A signature is optional (I never really bothered with one) but some members have some pretty nifty signatures, it depends on what the person likes.

The code for your signature would go on this page, you're welcome to create it:


To invoke it you can type this into your preferences custom siggie: {{Subst:User:Elfoes/sig}}. You would still need to click the signature button for it to show up but you'll be surprised that it will show perfectly every time. If you need help on what designs would be good you can check this page. This page has more complex examples on how to dress your signature. Signature coding can be used just as well in any wiki page, and it will react in the same way. --Liliana (my talk). 07:20, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

A toolbox Edit

Hi, I've activated your admin toolbox to the left. You will notice that now you have more (serious and important) links! The user rights links for example wont work for you yet, but if you want I can make you into a bureaucrat too, a bureaucrat is kind of a step above admin, they get to chose who gets to be admin in the wiki. It'd be great for the future in case I'm not around as much, you can check to see if someone has left a message on this page for adminship. Bureaucrats choose the best person they believe should be an admin. They also have the power to take away admin rights in extreme cases when the admin doesn't seem to be doing things that will benefit the wiki over a prolonged period of time and negotiations with the admin prove to be futile. Admin rights are never to be taken away because a person "doesn't help out as much" (for example) since we're are all volunteers and we all help when we can :) As always there is an old wiki-saying "always assume good faith" when someone is helping out unless their actions clearly show otherwise. Thank you so much for all your help. --Liliana (my talk). 03:18, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much for updating the Lush Lake page, I realized the page had a lot of the old coding I used last year, I updated the footnote and the image, and added the Glowing Eggs link that didn't use to exist yet when I made it :) --Liliana (my talk). 16:02, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


To be able to make a redirect you can use this icon in the edit Button_redirect.png but it only works on pages that have nothing else in them. So basically that icon enters this in the page you want to make the redirect: #REDIRECT [[]] like for example the Elger Quest page redirects to Elger that would be #REDIRECT [[Elger]]. To see the redirect go to Elger and go to "what links here" in your toolbox, it will take you to the pages that link to Elger, one of them will be Elger Quest.

The Olympics redemption shop is a special shop, for now it is best it stays in its own page. Eventually we can add it to the Olympics page, which I'm sure it's still in the old coding I used to use last year. Nothing wrong with it, but the coding has extra headlines that I used when I didn't know how to make large titles with font enlargement code. I will take a look at it later. In the mean time, if you wish to make new pages for shops you're welcome to do so since those can be merged into their world later. --Liliana (my talk). 19:30, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Webcam blockEdit

Hello David, I left a message to VSTF which is what the page suggested. Hopefully they will be able to sort out the problem with the Webcam article. It was wise of you to name it into Ziranek Webcam, which is perhaps the next-best title for that page. If for some reason they can't fix the issue, I will try to work around on ways to make the page more accessible to visitors so that they can find it easily. The world pages are usually long, but I have Ziranek in my list of priorities for the next few days. Thank you so much! --Liliana (my talk). 15:15, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Good news, the Webcam page had been unblocked! I can do the re-direct from Ziranek Webcam to it, unless you want to practice on how to make re-directs (you're welcome to try to make the re-direct), also feel free to ask any questions. Thank you so much for your hard work! Some of the best features about wiki work are, you're building experience that will help you in case you decide to make a wiki of your own later. Your edits also add up to global edits which will, of course, give you better reputation in Wikia. :) --Liliana (my talk). 11:22, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Span class for page backgroundEdit

It would be great to come up with more backgrounds! In a wiki the only way to set a page background is to put it in a table. Which is what we have done so far:

<span class="wm-3"> - </span>

Basically tells the wiki to recall the values set for "wm-3" in our MediaWiki:Common.css file into the new page you're about to make, but that's a far as it goes unless you place the background in a table like this:

{|width="100%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"


This is a table that will take the entire page, that's why we end all pages with this "|}" which is the end of the table.

The code to it is here in the MediaWiki:Common.css file (it should be near the bottom) and it goes like this:

.wm-3 {
background: url(;
background-repeat: repeat;
background-position: center;

To create a new background, upload the image into the wiki, and copy the actual long url to it, now all you need to do is give it another number that's not already used there (1 to 5 are already taken). Now, I know this can be quite difficult so don't be afraid to ask for help! If we were creating an HTML based page, we wouldn't need to specify the mediawiki css file, because the HTML can accept the coding (a different code is used however). There are tips on how it all works here in this page. I can't recall where I found the information I just explained to you above, I know it was a wiki forum somewhere but can't remember where. --Liliana (my talk). 14:50, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Awesome.... Edit

The background here in Countdown looks great! :) --Liliana (my talk). 16:17, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wow 200 articles!Edit

Thanks so much for your wonderful help! Feel free to announce it anywhere in the site, or even several places! I've announced it on the Template:Status visible on the homepage. I also changed the message to announce you as an admin! Feel free to edit as you wish :)

I see the attempts at trying your signature haven't been successful so far, it can take some time, remember that the substitute coding for it needs to go in the Special:Preferences and that to sign the pages, you need to enter four tildes ~~~~ I'm going to try to make mine soon and see how it works for me. It can sometimes be frustrating.

The "18 years old" article was a "spam" page created by an 18 year old troll from the AF. I am grateful that I haven't seen too many attacks like that. But when they do happen a block is needed. I hate to block. But, when it is evident someone has done it to cause harm, without thinking about the unsuspecting visitors who need help, that come to this site looking for something positive to read (and instead the stumble with a message like that); it leaves the wrong impression. When that happens, the reputation of the wiki is in jeopardy, which of course nobody wants. It's sad because the work we've done here is clean and dedicated, for someone to come attacking a project that's supposed to be positive, is a very low action indeed.

When I began to play Marapets 3 years ago (I'm only 6 days away!), the sources for help were very limited. I couldn't find certain things I was looking for in the existing marapets sites. This is the reason I decided to create this help site (which eventually grew up into a wiki). I can tell why some people wouldn't bother making guides like this, the work is strenuous, on top of the fact that people like the one mentioned above want to cause harm and put your work down. Don't let anyone put your efforts down! Your work is valuable and helpful for many people. --Liliana (my talk). 15:31, July 28, 2010 (UTC)


Ha, ha, ha!!! Awesome, it's the best signature I've seen so far!!! It rocks! :D
About the trolls, there's always going to be people like that. Remember how many people have tried to bring Marapets down, who have also made up lies about Ian. Specially when he's done a great job. It's the way life is unfortunately, putting others down so that they can look good. You have to show people like that, that they can't hurt your efforts. --Liliana (my talk). 17:11, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Mystery Item Edit

Not as strictly, in the Maradan Chronicles it is important that things are accurate and done in proper manner. But the Q+A is a little different since we have a large number of unregistered contributors, and the environment is different. Although, I believe it is best for us (the registered users and admins) to keep from answering questions like that because:

  • The item changes daily, so the people who see the answers are most likely to do so after the current competition has already passed.
  • The item will be unconfirmed until the competition ends. Even so, nobody can really confirm what the item is unless they actually won, or are told by a person who won the competition.

Smelllybean has done a great job with following the items that have won, but many times she has had to maramail people who won to help her get the right answer.

This doesn't mean that we should discourage the people who answer, it is a Q+A site so it's expected that people will come to ask and answer questions like that. If you should come across them you can ignore them. If people persist I can put a disclaimer on the homepage saying that the answer to the ice fairy can not be confirmed, and to use it with caution. I'm planning on adding a few things to the homepage there. For example, this is the way Zelda and Pokemon Answers look (I made the homepage designs). I'm thinking about doing something similar, but still unique. The Marapets Answers was my first answers site in the new skin, so I didn't really know what I wanted to do on the homepage. I'm sure the colors will work much better if only I added a couple of things here and there. By the way, for a last glance at how the Q+A sites used to look in Wikia, WikiRespuestas still has the old skin, this is the way Marapets Answers would have looked if they had not changed the skin. I'm just barely beginning to get used the new skin in Wikianswers. --Liliana (my talk). 22:04, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

How to style textEdit

If you look at the left when you're editing you can see a board where the widget previously was. Scroll to the bottom of the "How to style text" and you will see a simple code to color the text. It took me about 10 months to see that! I looked all over Wikia to find that code, when I could have found it there all along! xD LOL

BTW you wont see it if you edit in fullpage.

Anyhow, there are other ways to color text but at the time I don't know them. I have an addon called "Mywords" in Firefox, it will place an extra menu entry if you right-click. In there, you can type codes, signatures, phrases, and recall them whenever you need them. I've managed to put most of the codes there, then all I have to do is a couple of clicks and my chosen codes come back just where I need them!

I also have the redirect code there, and other codes that I got absolutely tired of recalling. Like for example the {{Subst:Imageinfo}} code I put on the images summary. Also, when you edit, take a look at the bottom of the page, there is a table with many, many links. Clicking on those will insert those characters into the edit page as well. The <includeonly></includeonly> and <noinclude></noinclude> and others similar, are article management template coding, but there are some others than can be very handy! --Liliana (my talk). 23:43, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Marapets AnswersEdit

I worked for quite some time in the design last night and I took a look how it should appear in Safari, I have an iBookG4 so it didn't take me long. It looks good but I'm not sure whether to put the Maradan Chronicles link in a CSS button. As you can see it's quite a tight fit. As it is, I had to remove a couple of things, but they are in the toolbox (unregistered users see a tiny toolbox with some links too). The wikis links occupy two lines in Safari, but in Firefox they barely make-it on one line. I do consider the design almost finished, the template needs a rename since it's called "bottom" rather than "top", this is because I was thinking placing it at the bottom of the page. Unfortunately, the bottom looked too cluttered and unnatural, so I had to sort for the top which looks much better. Just a couple of things to tweak and it should be ready to go.

By the way I saw some referral links as questions, initially I would probably delete them. But with the referral contest people are going crazy looking for ways to get referrals so I can't complain. So, if you're wondering what to do, lets just keep them. --Liliana (my talk). 10:46, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Red links on categories... Edit

This is a common issue with categories and the only way to make the link blue, is to go to the category and type something into it (you can type something like "this category is where the shops go"). I assume the MediaWiki system takes the Wikipedia rules too serious when it comes to categories. In Wikipedia, they want to avoid the creation of unnecessary categories. I don't mind a page having several categories at all; but in Wikipedia they want categories to be as general as possible (reminds me of an image I was looking at where the category was marked for deletion just because a user believed the image belonged in another one, meanwhile the image would have been orphaned otherwise) that's just silly. Feel free to make as many categories as you need to, that helps people who like to browse by category and we definitely want everyone to find the things they need as soon as possible. Thanks for asking! --Liliana (my talk). 00:57, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Images not showing Edit

I see the problem in FF too. We had a problem like that several months back when Wikia was having server updates and new features introduced. If it doesn't improve within a day or so, we can fill out the Special:Contact form. Hopefully it wont last too long, I will try clearing my cache and cookies and see if it helps, but I doubt it. About the blocks, I try to let the admins choose what they think best. I saw them and they seem well founded to me. As long as you make the option "Allow this user to edit own talk page while blocked" checked to make sure the person can apologize or justify their behaviour. If a person apologizes I usually lift the block. Sadly apologies are rare, in the internet nowadays people believe they can troll, insult, put down and hurt anyone they feel like. They feel brave typing unfounded words onto a computer screen; and they forget people behind the screen have feelings too. --Liliana (my talk). 04:36, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

I've contacted Wikia about the disappearing images. They replied saying they are working really hard to fix the problem and that they were aware of the issue. I'm working on the Undying Festival list of answers. Nothing fancy like in the previous years, screenshots I'm taking are mainly for memorabilia. The problem with getting too detailed is that it would take days to complete the guide and I don't want it to be too strenuous like the previous years. I wasn't going to do the festival at all, but in order to confirm the clues I need to do it. I really don't care for another Daisy and the prizes will be in SS before you know it, so I was thinking about getting them there in the future. Thanks for all the help you're providing, please let me know if there's anything I can do to help you. --Liliana (my talk). 05:54, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Travis Truck mishapsEdit

Upon inspection of the page I can see that choosing to edit the page can trigger sometimes a bug that can make the "{|" code from a table climb upwards to the previous line (this happens a lot when the table code has no specific formatting like table length or color). This is a common bug that MediaWiki has had for as long as I can remember, and one of the reasons why I was often frustrated when I created this wiki. No need to feel alone as the people from big wikis like WoW Wiki also had their painful share of those as well!

I know that bug is not limited to tables, it can also happen to "<div>" as well, making the page look like a total disaster! It is important to remember that sometimes it only takes a "{{Brclear}}" or a few "enters" to fix the issue temporarily (until the page is edited again). It is also important to remember, rarely does the page lose any coding at all. Many times I thought the code was broken and even missing, 99% of the times nothing is missing, you just need to add a space or remove a space somewhere for the code to be picked up properly. Don't panic in situations like this, a lot of patience is all I can recommend. --Liliana (my talk). 11:56, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Untagging QuestionsEdit

Yes, to untag an answer in the Q+A site, it's a bit different now due to the skin change. If the question has no answer, you must answer something into it. So basically what I do is enter one letter and "save" then I must edit the answer. When you do that, you will see at the bottom the tags it has (tags and categories are the same thing, the name is the only thing that's different)... yes I know it's very confusing, we tried to let Shahid know about how new users would eventually get confused with categories in wikis, then tags in answers sites. They really work then same way, as a matter of fact they used to be called categories. Shahid is Wikia's employee and is the one responsible for the new design in the Q+A answers. I honestly believe he did a wonderful job, but the tags/categories issue is one I believe should have stayed the way it was. Also, you didn't want to be in Wikianswers when the talk about the move was in place! A lot of people refused to get used to the new skin and well... it was a very stressful time for Shahid. Then they came up with the Q+A sites of any subject, but the main Wikianswers was expected to lose popularity (and traffic) with that.

I'm hoping to start contributing in Wikianswers again soon. I know Wikianswers needs me, but there was some personal issues I needed to take care of (my hiatus had nothing to do with the move, I was actually looking forward for the move towards the end). I'm coming out of that depression I was in, thank God my son is doing better. However, I will need to take a longer time before I come back to Mara, I'm not sure how long but at least a few months. I will try to help in the Mara answers site, which is practically impossible unless I'm playing the game. But I did a pretty good job in Justin Bieber answers, even though I have no idea who JB is! LOL

I'm very happy you're willing to work on the chatspeak glossary. I support you all the way! Remember, that it would be a good idea to direct people to the Chatspeak Glossary within the glossary page (e. oh I saw you added it in chatspeak I also added a link on top as well). For now I'm making you into bureaucrat, this will give you the ability to turn other users into admins. I know there are a lot of wonderful people who play Marapets, who can help us out. It can take some time away from the time they play the game, but that's expected, there was a time in my life that the only thing I would do in my free time, was work in the Maradan Chronicles; and I felt that other things were neglected. If you ever feel like that, feel free to take a brake too. The idea is to get enough contributors to ease the work on one or two people. That way, nobody gets exhausted or overwhelmed. --Liliana (my talk). 03:48, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Anagram Sam Questions Edit

Do you mean a disclaimer like a template or similar? If you give me ideas maybe I can work on something. Otherwise, I think the best to do for those questions is keep enforcing the guide in Indigo's site, I used it and it couldn't get any easier to guess. Sometimes people just want a plain and simple answer, but that's like doing the work for them. I think eventually someone might come up with solutions to all the answers like they have done to activities like the Lunar Temple in Neopets and the treasures you get are selling for like 2-3 neopoints there. I'm just guessing the quest is meant to be difficult, and the kids just want to have more time to be in Facebook. You know what's impacting... last month users online list in Neopets was 15,000 when I checked on a Thursday. You might think that's a lot, but Neopets used to have at the same time last year 45,000 users. I really couldn't care less because I haven't played there for at least 2 years. But I checked it often last year because I was working on the article for Marapets on Wikipedia. And on Saturday nights there wouldn't be any less than 55,000 users online in Neopets. Now 7PM my time this is what I see Players Online: 24,413.... I must admit, I can't believe it. The internet has changed that much in just one year... it's scary. The online list in Marapets last year at this time was over 1,300 users (I actually have a screenshot somewhere from August last year this one is from July) but now its 900 users. Anyhow, I'm shocked. Pet site popularity has gone down dramatically and I'm assuming it's Facebook's fault. My older kids (13 and 14) can't get off of it, and with all that craze, games and popularity tests, they're keeping more and more users hooked. It started with the adults, trying to find family, now every teen is there and their friends list is no smaller than 50 friends! o_0 I'm just commenting; you know that if I was to bring the subject up in AF they'd eat me alive. They don't want threats to their favorite social networking site. And they would blame it on something else, and something else. But I know the internet fairly well, and I examine Alexa's rankings often. I hope the Facebook craze dies down soon enough, otherwise pet sites will suffer. If Neopets (the biggest pet site) goes down, what chances does Marapets have?

By the way, Yahoo rank last year was 2 in Alexa (#2 most visited website in the internet)... now Facebook is there it is #2! I mean one year, this is striking and whoever doesn't see it has to be blind. Remember MySpace? They used to be #4 or #5 I think, now they're not even there! I'm just wondering where this is going, with all the advertising Ian did this year, I could swear the site would be packed by now in the 2,000 at least! Have you noticed? I'm just hoping that the languages Ian is going to introduce, help us get the members back (I'm crossing my fingers). --Liliana (my talk). 00:28, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I have a couple of backup discs and one backup hard drive it's getting harder to find screenshots from the online users (unfortunately I mostly aimed towards the part of the screen that mattered to me at the time) so this is what I found, but this was Novemember 2009 (screenshot about item found). I can't seem to find the August screenshot (sigh) :( --Liliana (my talk). 01:14, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Great screenie! Edit

Thanks, I knew I was close! 1,171 is a pretty good number compared to 230 (around May 2010), and Marapets needs to keep that number constant, specially in weekends. I believe there shouldn't be any less than 900 users at nighttime in USA (right now there are 422). And school has not started yet! Well, I really hope things get more active as the holidays approach, usually Halloween is a very busy time in the site. Feel free to use your personal screenshots to show any details about any activity. Crossing out your pets name or your username is up to you, it depends on the person's preference, I used to do it but not anymore. About the announcement, the perfect thing for that would have been the Sitenotice it brings the message accross, it can be hidden if desired, it's absolutely perfect to warn people about anything, and it also accepts all kinds of links... unfortunately... Q+A sites can no longer use them :(

If you believe this would be a great addition maybe we can beg the team to somehow add the feature to Q+A sites, or at least in ours where it is so desperately needed. I could use CSS to create my own type of announcement, unfortunately I believe the bulk will take it's toll specially for people who get tired of reading the same message over and over... so I'm looking for a CSS code that can be expanded and collapsed so that it's not in the way of frequent users. Check this page for example; as you can see where it says "Click Here to Show/Hide Spoiler Information" it gives you an option to show or hide. I'm looking for the coding to make that work. In our Q+A site at first it should be expanded (which should be the default) but at the bottom it will have an X for people to collapse it. Sadly that's no template material (I think templates aren't advanced enough to achieve that type of javascript effect) it would have to be in the MediaWiki:Common.js of the Q+A site and it needs to be entered with < > signs. I haven't been lucky yet, I also have to look for something that will work in Wikia. They have their own files system, some other web wikis use .php in their pages, Wikia doesn't, so we have to work with other attributes. --Liliana (my talk). 09:02, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

School InformationEdit

As a parent and concerned mother I must admit I feel the same you do. This was something over the past year several people (including me) debated about - how much personal information is too much? It all came down to this:

  • If the user is 13-18, it is the responsibility of the parent how much information they give. Wikia assumes the child has parental/guardian supervision when they use the site.
  • If the user is over 18, it's the users sole responsibility.
  • If the user has confirmed their age to be under 13, we must get involved and issue a block. Unless this is actually stated with detail by the user him/herself, Wikia assumes he or she is 13 years old, and thus supervised by an adult.

Based on the fact that social networking sites in the internet have entries for everything you could possibly imagine, it is the user's decision what they enter and what they leave blank. Now, what frees Wikia of guilt in any case like this is their Terms of Service which indicate:

"Any registration by anyone under 13 is unauthorized, unlicensed and in violation of these Terms of Use. By registering the Service or the Site, you represent and warrant that you are 13 or older and that you agree to and to abide by all of the terms and conditions of this Agreement.

If you choose to register for membership, in consideration of your use of the Site, you agree to maintain the security of your password and identification and to be fully responsible for all use of your account and for any actions that take place using your account."

So what can we do? We can nicely point out to the person to be cautious with the information they share, as we stated in the homepage, we are not affiliated with Marapets, and their terms of use do not affect us. I know it sounds harsh, but believe me, I've seen many things I wish I could fix, which ultimately fall under the parent's responsibility. --Liliana (my talk). 03:52, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


Hey, take your time, all is well! If the vandalism gets out of hand, I can let the team at the VSTF wiki know, and they can help us clear it out. --Liliana (my talk). 11:05, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

The SandboxEdit

I think I may have fixed it, maybe? It's not your fault, the mediawiki bug strikes back. However, I'd like you to take a look at the differences in revisions here so you can see the very few changes I made including adding a space where the mediawiki bug removed it (where the <div> began). For a better explanation on how you may be able to spot the bug in the future, take a look at this picture. I know, I don't consider myself much of a teacher, but hopefully it will help for future. Sorry that happened, the sidebar on top of the wiki page happened because the bug error negated the effect of the <div>, thus making the div-close code </div> that appears a few lines below interfere with another <div> from the templates used above. Let me know if there's anything you do not understand, I'll be glad to help! --Liliana (my talk). 06:37, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I've added the new section to the News page, I hope that helps! Now all you need to do is work on the homepage. I found out the hard way several months ago that <div> are very powerful. For example, the divs in a wiki content page can affect the entire code of the whole web page! So when a code breaks you may see things like the one you mentioned. So, I think it is best to keep pages relatively short, to be able to find coding errors like this much quicker. For example, that was one of the reasons why I split the Undying Woods into sections. The code was too complicated at some point, that I had to sort for individual articles. This is frowned upon some wikis, (the Spanish Pokemon wiki comes to mind) I built the whole section 17 in this article into a brand new page (finding sapphire and rubi gems in Fire Red and Leaf Green). Eventually the wiki admins suggested merging into the page of the main guide of Fire Red and Leaf Green. Which of course is the most logical thing to do, but with errors like this I'd hate to be the one to look through the entire page to find where a div is broken. Fortunately, they took care of the merge. --Liliana (my talk). 07:33, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Glad it workedEdit

The homepage looks awesome! I'm glad I could help, I've been working with computer codes for years. Mediawiki was something completely new to me last year, and it scared me a bit. There are still many things I have yet to learn; but I can defend myself pretty well with the things I learned. Fortunately there is a lot of help in the web because wikis are something fun and new to have. I love to teach anyone who is interested in learning. Of course there are people who are just not born to do this, but those who are should try to learn it while they can. I am rather glad that there is someone like you helping out, you're a quick learner and it seems this is one of your strengths, so keep up the good work. By the way, the bug has been reported before, unfortunately it is one of those bugs that are hard to squish (I've heard they tried). Computers are not perfect, and at the same time we need to give ourselves a little more credit for being the ones who programmed the computer in the first place! :D --Liliana (my talk). 08:26, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Monaco SkinEdit

Hello David, I'm not sure if you have been following what's going on lately in Wikia. A month or so ago we were all told that Wikia would have a new look. I read rumors that Monaco would be phased out completely. I myself didn't quite believe that it would be so, since Monaco is perhaps the best skin Wikia has had since the old Monobook was dropped. However, Monobook was still an option (and I believe it still is) so I was thinking in the new transition they would do the same with Monaco and that finally the Monobook skin would be phased out completely. Well, no, actually Monaco wont be available anymore and perhaps Monobook as well. The characteristics of Monaco are very noticeable, for example, if you go to your preferences now you can still choose Monobook and see the improvements the Monaco skin offered. The upper banner, is part of Monaco and the widgets.

So, basically I don't know yet what the new skin has to offer, and I'm not sure if we will have long banners on top as an option, for now I'm moving the content of Monaco modifications into the MediaWiki:Common.css and hopefully they wont be unavailable with the change. I will make sure to examine the new options once they become available. --Liliana (my talk). 21:14, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

I saw the new skin, no exaggeration intended, but it's absolutely catastrophic... to put it in common words. I know what you mean about Wikipedia, I'm just barely getting used to it. It's a shame because the new skin makes our wiki look too corporate oriented, rather than game oriented. I don't want to take the side of the people complaining, but I have to admit, they have good reason to be upset. In the meantime I'm going to revert the MediaWiki:Common.css because it looks like if the change is made and Monaco is dropped, there is no way the modification will work, there is just no room for it. Let's just hope they do not drop Monaco, it will be the destruction of Wikia. Already too many people are saying they're leaving. I thought Wikia needed a new skin because they needed to show more ads (in that case I would understand they need the revenue). But that's not the case because it doesn't allow, I looked but there seems to be no room for ads; so I don't see the point of the new skin at all. --Liliana (my talk). 23:17, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oasis SkinEdit

Well, I have made the cosmetic changes required to fit the new skin. I know - I am not too happy about it. But it's the only thing that the future holds for us. Rather than letting the wiki go and leave it looking like a disaster in the new skin, I decided to edit a few things that will make the change a little more bearable. I have now removed the original 2007 banner, and replaced it with the long banner on top. Needless to say, now there is a lot of redundancy but that will be gone on Novemember 3rd. The only problem now are the shop pages. Every page that has a shop infobox will need to be redesigned for future, since it exceeds the page set width. Nope, don't sweat it, it CAN wait! And it should wait... besides this is Wikia's doing (not ours) we made then they way they were supposed to be in Monaco after all! So that will be in my next couple of months to-do list. Thank you so much for all your work, if this change is taking a toll on you, take your time to familiarize with it, or if you need a break feel free to do so! I was thinking about ignoring the change until I could get used to it, but I decided to temporarily change a few things to help the viewers who are not expecting this. --Liliana (my talk). 03:03, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hey no problem! Edit

Same with me, I have so much work to do here and there, that it sometimes feel overwhelming to get deep into the site. I think it is mostly stress, when sometimes I know I can do a big change, that would take me only about 20-30 minutes in all... still I can't bring myself to do it. It gets like that, don't worry I know the feeling. --Liliana (my talk). 22:21, November 20, 2010 (UTC)


Hey David, now we're small fish in a big pong, heh? Well, I am alone here for now since this wiki wasn't very active at all. If you want, you can join in, I already made you into an admin! I am moving articles as we speak from the Maradan Chronicles to here, and hoping I can fix their format to fit the new pages. As always you're always welcome and I'm definitely greatful for all the work you did. Some edit points that you made in the previous wiki are moving here as I organize the files. I have about 800 images to move (sitting in my computer), a grand majority of them will give you some edits, but I am slowly moving their history here. --Liliana (my talk). 02:03, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

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